Epistemic Spot Check: Full Catastrophe Living (Jon Kabat-Zinn)

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Overview

You’ve probably heard about mindfulness, but just in case: mindfulness is a meditation practice that involves being present and not holding on to thoughts, originally created within Buddhism. Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) is a specific class created by the author of this book, Jon Kabat-Zinn. The class has since spread across the country; he cites 720 programs in the introduction. Full Catastrophe Living contains both a playbook for teaching the class to yourself, the science of why it works (I’m guessing this is new?), a section on stress, and followup information on how to integrate meditation into your life.

Introduction

Claim: Humans are happier when they focus on what they are doing than when they let their mind wander, which is 50% of the time. Accurately cited, large effect size, possible confounding effects. (PDF). The slope of the regression between mind wandering and mind not-wandering was 8.79 out of a 100 point scale, and the difference between unpleasant mind wandering and any mind not-wandering task was ~30 points. Pleasant mind wandering was exactly as pleasant as focusing on the task at hand. Focusing accounting for 17.7% of the between-person variation in happiness, compared to 3.2% from choice of task. Some caveats:

The Model

To the extent Full Catastrophe Living has a model, it’s been integrated so fully into the cultural zeitgeist that I have a hard time articulating it. It could be summarized as "do these practices and some amount of good things from this list will happen to you." Which kills my hypothesis that having a good model is necessary to getting good results.

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I don’t know. I found it a slog and only read the first third, but the empirical evidence is very much on mindfulness’s side and I don’t know what better thing to suggest. Thanks to the internet for making it possible for me to do these kinds of investigations. Thanks to Patreon supporters for giving me money.

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I don’t think you do Jon Kabat-Zinn justice in your introduction of what Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction is. Before Jon Kabat-Zinn there was little science on the effects of meditation. That’s largely because Buddhistic teachings of meditation is not standardized in a way about a timeframe of months that makes it easy to run tests. Jon Kabat-Zinn is a professor at the University of Massachusetts and wanted to investigate the effects of meditation with the tools of science. To do that he created a standardized secular two months course under the title "Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction" that can be taught in a structured way that’s presumably have the similar effects each time. This allowed him to run studies and also get other people to run studies with the methology he created. Afterwards his courses spread because he actually could label them science-based.

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There are a lot of Claims of the form, "This study indicates that MBSR leads to Good Thing." There could be 1,000 studies that indicate MBSR leads to Good Thing, but if there were 1,000,000 total studies and only 1,000 of them indicated that MBSR leads to Good Thing, then that’s actually evidence against the claim that MBSR leads to Good Thing. The point being that for a true investigation, we’d need to analyze all of the evidence, not just the cherry picked parts of it.

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Certainly true. The purpose of epistemic spot checks for books (as I understand it) is to check "is this book even making true claims", as part of an initial check for "is this book worth my time even slightly?" (My recollection is that for the some of the previous books elizabeth spot-checked, the answer was "no, not at all", and figuring that out in a relatively short amount of time is better than launching into a fullscale investigation.)

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Raemon is correct (and also correct that I should have explicitly described this). An astonishing number of books cite works that don’t even support their point. Most of these I don’t write up because they fail too quickly to be interesting, but if you want to see what that looks like check out https://​​acesounderglass.com/​​2014/​​12/​​13/​​health-at-every-size-roundup/​​ .

Ah, now I understand, thanks! I didn’t know what "epistemic spot check" meant, and just kinda assumed that this was a book summary post (which was probably careless on my part).

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Yeah—I think it might be good for Epistemic Spot Checks to include a quick summary or link to the canonical explanation. (also, general policy might be "posts that are an instance of a thing with a somewhat nuanced meaning should probably link to the full explanation of the thing.")

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This is a good idea and I will do it next time.

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People’s minds are more likely to wander when they’re doing something unpleasant, and when they are having trouble coping with that unpleasantness. The study could be identifying a symptom rather than a cause.This seems like a huge concern to me.

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Moved to frontpage.

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MBSR (sometimes MSBR in this article) = Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Please explain acronyms when first used