Deliberate Grieving

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/gs3vp3ukPbpaEie5L/deliberate-grieving-1

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Examples

Example 1: Grieving for Justice

What’s grieving actually like? My first explicit model of "applied grief" came early in the pandemic. It was a bit of a "grieving on hard mode", because I had to grieve for an abstract concept. I had a conflict in my quarantine-bubble about covid policy.We had disagreements about the facts-of-the-matter of how dangerous covid was, or what mitigation efforts would help. We had disagreements about the best ways to negotiate over policy, and how to interpret our policies, and how to enforce violations. We were also just, like, really stressed out. Different bubble-members have different opinions on what actually happened and why. But Some bubble-members did things that I felt hurt by. A few months later, I found myself recovered from the raw-stress of the experience, but still feeling psychologically messed up, waking up crying about once a week. For awhile, I was confused about what I actually wanted. Maybe I wanted a bubble-member to admit they were wrong and apologize. It became clear that wasn’t going to happen. After several weeks of ruminating, I eventually figured out I actually wanted something like: "Bring in community elders that I respect, and that the bubble-members in question respect. I want the hypothetical elders to interview everyone, forming a judgment about what went wrong and whether anyone was at fault. And somehow I want this to enter into my social sphere’s overall accounting." Maybe the result would be "no Ray, your story about the situation is wrong", but at least it’d feel resolved. And the fact was… it just wasn’t really possible to get that. There weren’t many contenders for "community elders" that my bubble-members and I all respected. One of such community leader was kinda available. But actually adjudicating the dispute properly was a big time commitment, in a period where the entire world was reeling from the pandemic. It required buy-in from other bubble-members. Insofar as everyone was willing to spend time on it, it wasn’t really worth the rest of my social world’s time to track the social accounting for one particular quaranbubble’s disputes (again because everyone was busy reeling from the pandemic). At some point, I was talking through all of this with a friend, and things sorted themselves out in my head. I saw clearly that the particular flavor of justice I wanted wasn’t practical, and wasn’t going to become practical, and wishing for it wasn’t helping me. And that was sad. And with that... ...I understood the shape of the world. And I let my wish-for-justice go. And I cried. It felt cathartic. I wasn’t fully healed, but I felt a weight lifted, and could focus on moving forward.

Example 2: Grieving for a no-longer-good doctor

I had a friend who had a doctor that was really good for them. The doctor was attentive to their problems and their psychological state. The doctor paid attention to lots of details, formed models of what might possibly go going wrong with my friend’s body… but also listened when they got contradicting evidence and updated those models. The doctor was respectful of particular traumas and triggers that my friend had. This was important, because the sorts of problems my friend needed a doctor to fix often related to those triggers and traumas. But, slowly, over a couple years, the doctor started seeming more impatient and sharp. They stopped listening to my friend’s requests. And meanwhile the hit rate of "new useful interventions" that they proposed started dropping. (I actually knew multiple friends with the same doctor, who around this time reported the doctor being increasingly unpleasant to work with.) At some point my friend decided "Man, this doctor is no longer net-positive in my life." And this sucked, because good doctors are really hard to find. My friend’s expected search process for a new doctor is really labor intensive and painful. And meanwhile… once upon a time, the doctor had been both really competent and actively nice, which was so rare. There had once been a really good working relationship there. And the health problems that were triggering and traumatic were going to make it particularly challenging to find a new doctor. So my friend decided to hold a little funeral for the relationship-that-once-was. My friend sat in her room, and lit a candle. She thought about all the good memories that her doctor had given her, and the help they had provided. She spent time reflecting on each of those memories. And then, she blew out the candle, and moved on with her day.

Grieving for Decisions-At-Work

My most common type of grief, which I do most deliberately, is for decisions at work. Often, it is the case that I want to execute a project one particular way. My teammates want to implement it some other particular way. Maybe my way really is better. But often the relative value of my solution is *less *than the value of the time I’d have to spend arguing with my colleagues about it. It’s not worth the time to hash out every single decision. And it’s not worth the damage to the coordination-fabric to constantly be second-guessing the authority of the decisionmakers in charge of a project. Some examples of minor-grievings-at-work:

Grieving vs Letting Go

In an earlier version of this post, I considered focusing on "Letting Go" rather than "Grieving." One of my goals was to highlight how grieving was relevant to coordination. "Letting go" was the actual thing coordinators need to do. Grieving is one particular way to do it, and isn’t always the right approach. But I decided to focus on the grieving frame. It highlights that there was actually something important about your-preferred-way-of-doing things. "Letting things go" sort of implies you’re the one with the problem, and you just need to stop clinging. Grieving acknowledges that there was something special and meaningful to you. It’s sad that it can’t exist. In an earlier Facebook post on this subject, Logan Strohl noted, and I can’t think of better phrasing than:

I prefer "grieving". I think "letting go" is more likely to cause people a kind of confusion that leads them away from the correct action, while "grieving" will only cause them confusion of a "what is that supposed to mean?" kind. In practice, it seems to me that people who talk about "letting go" tend not to maintain a clear distinction between "letting go" and "giving up". But I don’t think anybody accidentally gives up when their intention is to grieve. They do something like the opposite. Grieving is holding onto your awareness of the value of something while you take that awareness into the new world you’re learning to live in, the one where the valued thing itself does not exist.

What’s my deliberate grieving process like?

"Deliberate Grieving" is my process of noticing "Oh man, I sure do seem to be clinging to something that is maybe not real, or is gone now, or is no longer serving me. It’s starting to look like that clinging is shooting myself in foot, and it’d be nice if I could stop." And then… grieving, on purpose. Despite having… gotten a kind of ridiculous amount of practice at this, I’m still not that great at it, and not sure my current process is best. But here’s what I currently do:

When I watch myself grieve, I typically don’t find myself just thinking "This person is gone." Instead, my grief wants me to call up specific images of recurring events — holding the person while watching a show, texting them a funny picture & getting a smiley back, etc. — and then add to that image a feeling of pain that might say "…and that will never happen again." My mind goes to the feeling of wanting to watch a show with that person and remembering they’re not there, or knowing that if I send a text they’ll never see it and won’t ever respond. My mind seems to want to rehearse the pain that will happen, until it becomes familiar and known and eventually a little smaller. My own experience is that I might have grieved many different aspects of a person no longer being in my life. But months later I might find another aspect missing that I still hadn’t processed. So I have steps of tracing and catharsis that repeat. I have more to say on the subject of grief, but this seems like a good stopping point for now. Grieving isn’t just a thing-that-happens-to-you. It is a skill, which can be cultivated. It can be practiced on relatively "minor" things (which may still feel like a major deal). Minor and Major grievings can have significantly different feel to them, but I think there is transfer in the skill between them.

Comment

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Something I might make another post, but will note here for now as a sort of appendix: I think one way grieving is useful is as a focus-tool. (See Focusing for Skeptics, or Hammertime Focusing, or the tag) Focusing is about trying to figure out something that feels wrong, or off, that you have some unconscious S1 information about but can’t easily explain. When you eventually find the thing-that-is-wrong, it often comes with a felt shift, and relaxing. This sort of maps onto the orientation and catharsis step of grieving, as I define it here. The orientation step can be trying on different focus-handles, and when you eventually fully see the situation, the catharsis is a kind of felt-shift. I’m often not very good at focusing, but I’ve found the question "what is it that I maybe have to grieve, and let go of?" to be illuminating, and helpful for figuring out something that is bothering me.

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Upvoted: deliberate grieving is a critical self-improvement skill. I personally mostly frame it in terms of admitting, rather than letting go or accepting; in terms of your two steps, I’ve been calling the orientation part "admitting", and the catharsis part "grieving".

A lot of critical motivation drivers are hung up on trying to get positive things from people that we didn’t get as kids, and that we created a bunch of coping mechanisms (e.g. most kinds of perfectionism) to work around.

Admitting that we were hurt by not getting those things and that our coping mechanisms will in fact not magically fix anything is a prerequisite to moving past them and actually living life. (Because otherwise our brains will keep insisting that if we try hard enough we can retroactively make everyone love and respect us.)

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Hmm. I think admitting also makes sense to be considered a step in the process, but one of the important elements of what I’m calling "orientation" is locating-the-thing-that-needs-admitting, in the space of all the possible things you might need to admit. I think sometimes the admitting part also is pretty trivial (although definitely sometimes even after locating it, admitting sucks and is super hard) Thinking back to my experience… I’d say that in my grieving-for-justice, most of the process was "figuring out what needed grieving". But, in a lot of grieving-at-work, more of the work lives in the "admitting" part. (I might update the post fleshing this out)

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one of the important elements of what I’m calling "orientation" is locating-the-thing-that-needs-admitting, in the space of all the possible things you might need to admit

True! Perhaps orientation should be that part in an orient-admit-grieve trifecta. It’s certainly the longer part, anyway.

I mostly do orientation by asking what it is I least want to admit, most wish were not true, and/​or am most afraid is true. Then admitting those things are true or at least that they might be or that I’m afraid they are or wish they weren’t.

Also, per Curse of the Counterfactual, anything I think is a "should" is a good candidate for admitting the opposite, and the Work of Byron Katie (aka MBSR in current psych research lingo I think?) a good tool for doing so.

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This reminds me strongly of the concept of Radical Acceptance, which comes from Dialectical Behavior Therapy, and which I agree is often a necessary part of seeing and engaging with reality as it is. (Perhaps, more specifically, grieving as described here is an example of a way to achieve radical acceptance?)

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Yeah, does seem related. I’ve come to find that grieving is sort of a particular flavor of approach to accomplish a bunch of other rationality techniques.