[LINK] Holden Karnofsky, GiveWell: Sequence Thinking vs. Cluster Thinking

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WEiW8K2GL28WWsmAy/link-holden-karnofsky-givewell-sequence-thinking-vs-cluster

http://​​blog.givewell.org/​​2014/​​06/​​10/​​sequence-thinking-vs-cluster-thinking/​​

A long post, here’s the key thesis:

I believe our approach is justified, and in order to explain why – consistent with the project of laying out the basic worldview and epistemology behind our research – I find myself continually returning to the distinction between what I call "sequence thinking" and "cluster thinking." Very briefly (more elaboration below),

A key difference with "sequence thinking" is the handling of certainty/​robustness (by which I mean the opposite of Knightian uncertainty) associated with each perspective. Perspectives associated with high uncertainty are in some sense "sandboxed" in cluster thinking: they are stopped from carrying strong weight in the final decision, even when such perspectives involve extreme claims (e.g., a low-certainty argument that "animal welfare is 100,000x as promising a cause as global poverty" receives no more weight than if it were an argument that "animal welfare is 10x as promising a cause as global poverty").

Finally, cluster thinking is often (though not necessarily) associated with what I call "regression to normality": the stranger and more unusual the action-relevant implications of a perspective, the higher the bar for taking it seriously ("extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence").

Comment

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WEiW8K2GL28WWsmAy/link-holden-karnofsky-givewell-sequence-thinking-vs-cluster?commentId=22hE8SpLKkJuFc7yB

I’m skeptical of any process where, as appears to be the case here, calculating expected values is demoted to a weak tiebreaker. His description implies (though not explicitly) that expected values are only considered heavily in their calculations when comparing within a domain.

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https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WEiW8K2GL28WWsmAy/link-holden-karnofsky-givewell-sequence-thinking-vs-cluster?commentId=FuWtv3fuycier9u7P

I’ve only breezed through Holden Karnofsky’s full article, but the demotion of calculated expected values only seems to apply where Knightian uncertainty is considerable.

Comment

That’s his assertion but his examples don’t really seem to support it. Hence my skepticism.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WEiW8K2GL28WWsmAy/link-holden-karnofsky-givewell-sequence-thinking-vs-cluster?commentId=iJkMWQ7M6crBN9TRn

Cluster thinking vs. Pascal’s mugger. Thoughts?

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https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WEiW8K2GL28WWsmAy/link-holden-karnofsky-givewell-sequence-thinking-vs-cluster?commentId=DYLgkuZL8M2vxjfcG

Depends on your clusters...