2020 Review: Final Voting

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting

Contents

Who Can Vote?

All users registered before 2020 can vote. The LessWrong curation team will weight the votes of users with 1000+ karma more highly when assembling sequences, books, or other projects.

How do I vote?

Go to the Review Voting page. There, you’ll see posts that you haven’t yet voted on sorted first, with posts you’ve previously given a karma-vote to sorted to the very top (they have a green stripe along the left side. Strong upvotes have a darker green). The posts will include the reviews that got written about that post. This is intended to help you make an informed vote. You can read reviews that look interesting or highly upvoted to get a better sense of how the post held up. You vote by clicking buttons that assign a post a score. A score of 1 means roughly "this post was good." A score of 4 means "this post was quite important". A score of 9 means "this post was extremely important." A vote of 0 means "I don’t have a strong opinion." (A vote of "4" is 4x as strong as a vote of "1″, a vote of "9" is 9x) If you intuitively mark posts as "good/​important/​extremely-important", you’ll probably do fine expressing your votes. Okay but I’m a nerd and like knowing the details of things. How does this work under the hood? The system is built on top of a quadratic voting system. In quadratic voting, you have a limited number of points to spend. You can vote things more strongly, but the cost of a vote increases at a quadratic rate. So:

Happy Voting

I’m excited to see how various posts fair. I’m personally excited for people to take the time reflecting a bit, seeing how various posts compared against each other and against an overall standard of "what was important?". Use your own judgment about what that means, and help shape the longterm record of LessWrong history. :) If you have any questions, bug reports, mild irritations or suggestions on UI improvements, let me know!

Comment

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=FiXxGnoee8Dwnvaf4

Thank you lightcone team for continuing to make these happen. I expect I owe several of you a free gratitude coffee.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=TRg9rQgBjxS6R8Zme

Unexpected behavior /​ minor bug: Some posts from 2020 have the "Vote on this post for the 2020 Review" section, despite not being eligible for Final Voting because they lack a review. Here’s a random example.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=iztSKKPFD7A2voFzH

Feedback on the quadrating voting implementation: This might have already been mentioned by others, but I wish there were no −1 option, as this seems to incentivize weird voting behavior like downvoting all essays you haven’t upvoted, rather than upgrading your +1 votes to +4. I haven’t done the full math, but I think this problem would still exist somewhat if the cheapest negative option was −2 (which would cost 3 points), but not if it was was −3 (which costs 6 points). There are 122 reviewed posts this year, and you have 500 points. So downvoting almost all of them to −1 would only cost ~122 points, leaving you 378 or ~75% of your points for upvotes; whereas downvoting to −2 would cost ~366 points and leave you 134 or ~25% of your points for upvotes.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=iK9K7raCqtNQf46Zm

We’re still making the final call of whether/​how to make the posts into physical books. We’re considering a lot of different options, from " The footnote cuts off here. If you have any questions, bug reports, mild irritations or suggestions on UI improvements, let me know!

  • Already mentioned in an Open Thread: the deadlines are not displayed at all window sizes.

  • There are 7 options to sort the posts considered in the review, yet improbably none of them are static (like sorting by title or by date). So if you, say, try to read through all posts in order, for every sorting option there’s a way that the order will be disrupted and you miss some posts. (EDIT: Another way in which this order can be disrupted is if a post is added to the Final Review list because it received its first review.)

  • I’m pretty sure the Sort by Your Vote option frankly doesn’t work—or I don’t understand what it’s supposed to be doing. It doesn’t sort by the strength of my Review votes, nor by my karma votes.

  • I’m not quite sure how the Sort by Vote Total options work: Is the idea here that the voting is not secret in aggregate, so the site can show you which posts are currently upvoted, before voting closes? If so, is that desirable?

  • The Sort By and Ascending /​ Descending settings reset upon reloading the page.

  • If you scroll down to the very bottom of the page, there’s half a screen of whitespace.

Comment

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=ryS4hZhL2DyjES5Ep

Oh, I mistakenly translated "sort by your vote" into "sort by Needs Vote." Your right, sort by "your vote" is just broken right now. (good news is that "sort by Needs Vote" is approximately the same thing, except you have to skim past things you didn’t vote on yet) I’m working on a fix now.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=ac39crzPvKyxNZSAz

The hover texts for the −9 to +9 votes are inconsistent:

  • -9 /​ −4: "Highly /​ Very misleading, harmful, or unimportant"

  • -1: "Misleading, harmful or unimportant" (lacks a comma before the "or")

  • 0: "No strong opinion on this post," (ends on a hanging comma)

  • 1: "Good" (no punctuation)

  • 4 /​ 9: "Quite /​ Extremely important" (no punctuation)

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ScqWBr8mxy32PzoDz/2020-review-final-voting?commentId=jDSogbo5CpJfwdPeS

Thanks! Intended behavior by "sort by your vote" is to first show you posts you haven’t voted on (with "posts you previously karma voted on" clustered to the top") followed by posts that you have voted on (in descending order of vote-strength). Does your experience match that description? (admittedly that’s not super legible). If not, there might be some bugs in addition to not-being-super-legible.

Comment

Oooh, since the 0-strength vote is automatically greyed out to highlight it as the default, I didn’t realize voting 0 would do anything, so I never did. But it appears that the Sort features do take that into account.