Deconstructing 321 Voting

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qShCqJp8SGDDa7Jw4/deconstructing-321-voting

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Scott’s Babysitting Story

Scott explained why 321 voting is a good idea with the following story (apologies for any errors): he had to babysit three children. He told them that one of them would have to go to bed an hour early, as decided by a vote near the end of the evening. The children spend the whole evening being really nice to each other, in an attempt to not be the one with the early bedtime. The analogy with 321 voting is that you get 3 parties, but (unlike in a politically polarized system) each party is trying to please the others, in order to avoid being the one eliminated in the disapproval step. If the three parties were each quite unpopular with each other, a fourth, more innocuous party could come in and displace one of the three. One might argue that this isn’t so different from a two-party system, where the loser competes for the popular vote by moving closer to its opponent’s position when it has too little support, resulting in two nearly identical parties with little differences. But I would disagree. In a two-party system, each party only needs the support of about half of the people. This can support a high degree of political polarization. In a 3-party system under 321 voting, you have several forces working against this:

Elimination Disapproval (ED)

321 voting is simple enough to explain quickly, and the disapproval mechanism is quite cool. Looking at it with a mathematician’s eye, however, it looks quite inelegant: a different rule is applied at each stage. Here’s a rule which generalizes the final 2 steps of 321 voting: At each stage, eliminate the candidate who is ranked as the lowest candidate on the most ballots. Remove that candidate from the rankings in all ballots (revealing a new "lowest") and repeat. Last candidate left standing wins. This requires ranked ballots. It’s kind of like opposite-land IRV: like IRV, it eliminates candidates one at a time; but rather than eliminating the candidate who is least often ranked at the top, we eliminate the candidate who is most often ranked bottom. When there are three candidates remaining, each ballot ranks the 3 candidates, so the ranking ends up like approve/​neutral/​disapprove. Most disapproval gets eliminated. When there are two candidates left, of course, this acts like 321 and elects the candidate who is most often ranked higher. I call the proposal ED for Elimination Disapproval. ("Disapproval Elimination" would be more natural, but DE is just less fun to say than ED.)

Clone Problems

If Pity Party (a relatively unpopular party who should not be elected) manages to get lots of similar candidates on the ballot, this has the effect of spreading the disapproval out. Let’s suppose voters don’t know how to order the Pity Party candidates (they only know how much they dislike Pity Party relative to other parties), so they rank them randomly within a pity-party block. Then each candidate individually has 1/​N the disapproval it should, at each stage, because disapproval is absorbed by other pity party candidates. If everyone ranks Pity Party below all other candidates, this won’t matter, because a Pity Party candidate is eliminated until there are none left. However, if Pity Party actually has some support, this could be a major problem; by spreading around the disapproval, the Pity Party clones could survive elimination until there are no other parties left. A simple fix for this problem is to allow people to rank candidates equally. However, voters are then left trying to figure out when to do so—there’s a complex strategic question of expressing finer-grained preferences vs exercising more disapproval power. So I don’t like that idea very much. 321 voting can also have a clone problem, to some extent; if we get 3 clone candidates as semifinalists, then the remaining steps don’t matter. (This makes 321 voting devolve into approval voting, which is not bad, but is worse than 321 should be.) At the beginning of this essay, I described "the basic idea" of 321 voting. Real 321 voting has a tweak to reduce the clone problem. Actually, there are two proposals:

Representativeness

We can select the semifinalists via STV or any other multi-winner election technique that promotes representativeness. The point of these methods is to elect representative bodies (such as parliaments etc) in such a way as to be as representative as possible. This means they can help us get rid of clones—bringing clones in to a "representative" set generally won’t be a very good way to represent the distribution of opinions of the people, unless the clones really are quite popular with a sizable segment of the population (in which case they may deserve to be semifinalists after all). So, here is my proposal: use STV to select N candidates, and then use ED to eliminate candidates down from N to 1. Getting a bunch of clone candidates on the ballot shouldn’t make your chances any better, now, because your clones don’t end up in the representative set of N candidates. I call this RED, for Representative ED. The parameter N is quite interesting, because it gives us a way to trade off between center squeeze and the clone problem:

Comment

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Is ED different to the Coombs method?https://​​en.wikipedia.org/​​wiki/​​Coombs%27_method

Comment

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Nice find! From the wikipedia article:

Each voter rank-orders all of the candidates on their ballot. If at any time one candidate is ranked first (among non-eliminated candidates) by an absolute majority of the voters, that candidate wins. Otherwise, the candidate ranked last (again among non-eliminated candidates) by the largest number of (or a plurality of) voters is eliminated. The first condition, "if at any time one candidate is ranked first by an absolute majority", is different from ED—I only included the second clause. I’m guessing Coomb’s method is probably an improvement in some sense, although I haven’t thought through any details yet. But wikipedia also says my variant has been discussed in the literature: In some sources, the elimination proceeds regardless of whether any candidate is ranked first by a majority of voters, and the last candidate to be eliminated is the winner.[2] This variant of the method can result in a different winner than the former one (unlike in instant-runoff voting, where checking to see if any candidate is ranked first by a majority of voters is only a shortcut that does not affect the outcome). Thanks for the pointer!

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qShCqJp8SGDDa7Jw4/deconstructing-321-voting?commentId=8bfTyvTmg9zLsgrj2

Approval and score voting are both 100% clone immune and 100% center-squeeze immune. Score voting is literally as good as you can get (at least in VSE terms!) if there’s no strategic voting, and devolves into approval voting under strategic voting. So, if there is some kind of trade-off between center squeeze and clone problems, it must be in the territory of methods that are better than approval voting (even given strategic voters).

I don’t understand the conclusion here. Score and approval don’t exhibit the trade-off. And some other methods do. But what do you mean about it specifically being in the territory of methods that are better than approval that the trade-off exists?

Comment

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qShCqJp8SGDDa7Jw4/deconstructing-321-voting?commentId=r3AxtmpAXZPkLWG6X

OK, so approval and score don’t exhibit the trade-off, but other methods do. So my question is whether there’s a real trade-off—is this just an artifact of poor voting methods, or is it something that quality voting methods have to deal with? If the trade-off were only ever exhibited by voting methods what are worse than score voting, then it would in some sense not be a real trade-off. But another point to recognize is: under honest voting, score voting with high granularity (a big range of possible scores) is literally as good as you can possibly get, at least in VSE terms. So, any advantage over score has to be in dealing with strategic voting (IE incentivizing honest voting, or, making outcomes good even under strategy).

Comment

If the trade-off were only ever exhibited by voting methods what are worse than score voting, then it would in some sense not be a real trade-off.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!