Crises Don’t Need Your Software

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About a month ago, I was invited to contribute to a group looking to help Ukrainian refugees in Poland. The group consisted of volunteers, including some people from the rationalist community, who knew they wanted to help, and were searching for high impact ways to do so, likely through software. I had been intending to find a way to help Ukraine, so when this opportunity to use my programming background to help arose, I felt elated to finally be able to do something.′ I took two weeks off work the next morning (thank you, my employer, for letting me do that) and optimized my life to spend as many hours as I could on the project without harming myself. The group consisted of some really amazing people. There were two students from the US, Soren and Luke, who had more or less dropped everything, sold their cars, and just moved to Poland to help. They were our eyes on the ground and the ones starting the project. My close friend, Leonardo, was the one who invited me, and he was the one who inspired me to take time off work by doing it himself first. And a lot of other brilliant people with very valuable contributions, who I won’t list to keep the cast small for the reader. Just know I’m very thankful for everyone who helped out. We knew we wanted to help somehow, but we didn’t know how. We focused on looking for problems we could solve with software since the group had a high density of software people. Over the course of the first few days we went through a concept of tracking the movements of people through the country (dismissed because it would be a GDPR nightmare and also very abusable), a concept of assigning refugees entering the country to different destinations so not everyone ended up in Krakow (depended on a model of reality that was much too simplified, and also had problems with how to gather data to base algorithmic decisions on) and we finally arrived at a concept around a certain kind of buses. Somehow I ended up in a leadership position along the way, a de facto product manager so to say, and I created the bus concept from something a volunteer hosting refugees in his office space had said. They had been in contact with a municipality from Norway who had space for refugees and was sending buses to directly transport refugees. This seemed to be a regular occurrence, where individual people, small aid organisations or municipalities were sending buses and cars to Poland. Then they would show up and nobody would want to get on, because no one knew they’d be there, what it’s like where they would be going or if they could be trusted. So the concept was to create a website where the bus drivers could see a heatmap of where refugees willing to go to their country were and plan their trips after where there were too few buses compared to refugees. And the refugees (or rather, volunteers helping refugees) could sign up to add to the data set the heat map comes from, and then see which planned trips would be nearby, and then "follow" them for updates and mark interest for which ones they’d want to go with. Having access to contact information in advance would allow them to get an understanding of where the trip would be going, have time to look up the country, maybe see a "day in the life" video to understand what the country feels like and to some degree vet the bus driver in advance. By not addressing the things that worked, such as the trains, flights and regularly scheduled buses, and focusing on connecting small scale actors with other small scale actors that need each other, we wanted to make a difference at scale by enabling many small interactions.
After we’d worked on refining the concept from Wednesday to Saturday, as well as starting development and looking for more devs, I was put in contact with a senior product manager, Shira. She was kind enough to read through our concept docs and our source material and offer her feedback. I greatly appreciated the additional perspective, because it had been bugging me that no one had said that my obviously too large feature set was large yet. Soren and I chatted with Shira for a while and she more or less dismissed the entire project. Or well, not necessarily the project, but definitely the amount of verification of the concept we had done. Soren and Luke had certainly talked with a lot of people at that point, but we would need more than the ~7 sources of corroborating evidence that supported the bus concept. There were a lot of large scale questions remaining:

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But even if the charity you pick only yields 1 euro of value from the 1000 you send, it’s still be better to send the money. That’s up to your own personal utility function of course, but another option is to donate somewhere else instead. There are still a great many causes that can do a lot more good for a lot more people in similarly dire situations than getting €1 worth of help out of every €1000 to the people who need it. Yes, this sucks for people who are in terrible situations where helping them is also orders of magnitude more inefficient and/​or dangerous to those trying to help than others in similar need. Maybe it feels better to spend your €1000 to give €1 of help to someone in such a situation, than to give hundreds of times more help to people in situations elsewhere that are just as bad but more accessible.

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I’m all for choosing effective causes and charities to donate to. The case I’m making here is that if there’s only one cause that could move you to help, then you shouldn’t refrain from helping just cause the efficiency is low. If you realize that looking around for other charities would end in you just losing interest, then the reality in which you actually donate to a 1% efficient cause, you will have done more good than the reality when you look for a 50% efficient cause, are gripped by analysis paralysis and give up. But if you have energy to optimize, of course, optimize!

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That’s assuming that keeping the money for yourself is valueless. I would say that 1000 dollars for myself is probably worth more than 1 dollar to a refugee.

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Fair point. I was writing this from a position of having earmarked a sum of money as "for charity", thus removing the value to myself. But using your assumptions, then it’s just a matter of where you draw the line of how efficient a charity has to be, sure.

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This is a trap that software engineers appear to be especially susceptible to. If you hang out in places where they congregate, like Silicon Valley, you’ll eventually hear about solutions to all sorts of problems, from homelessness to the opioid crisis. Being one myself, I attribute this to solving problems every day and getting rewarded for that, then falling under curse of thinking that since you just solved Very Complicated Problem X, you can probably solve Very Complicated Problem Y, except that Y is in a domain you have so little context in that it seems simple. Dan Luu wrote about this: https://​​danluu.com/​​cocktail-ideas/​​ When the invasion of Ukraine was just beginning, I thought to myself: if only I was a doctor/​architect/​carpenter/​policy expert/​general/​etc., I could do something. Then I began donating money across a portfolio of charities, which didn’t fully alleviate the feeling of being useless in this situation.

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Yes, this is exactly what I’m trying to convey, well put. Thank you for linking this, very interesting.

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I had sort of assumed that if tech skills had to be directly used to help in this situation, it would have to be something like, cyber attacks on Russia. But I never looked closer on that.

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I didn’t realize I was inviting these kinds of discussions, nor that I didn’t want them until now. I’d like to keep the comments focused on helping in humanitarian ways, if that’s okay.

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It would help if you clarified from the get-go that you care not about maximizing impact, but about maximizing impact subject to the constraint of pretending that this war is some kind of natural disaster.

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My goal with this post was mainly to share a model of "it’s better to do little than nothing" in the hopes I’d help someone else give money when they were hesitating. To make that point, I used the retro of the project I happened to be in. This project happened to be a humanitarian one. That it’s about Ukraine is just a coincidence. Talking about military interventions because of some theoretical higher impact, when in practice very few people will have means to help militarily, is exactly the kind of analysis paralysis that qualifies as "nothing" instead of "little". So in addition to being about a different domain of help than the case study I was using, this also completely misses the point of the post. I admit that the comment you’re responding to is fueled by my emotional hesitancy to fund military action, so I thank you for this somewhat charged observation to prompt me into examining myself. Wouldn’t have figured out my unease otherwise. So new stance: Give money to Ukraine’s armed forces if you think that’s a more effective way of helping, but don’t dive into military analysis instead of actually helping. I’ll keep my current commenting guidelines though, since the ethical considerations of military distract from the points I want to discuss.

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This is something I thought about as well in the early days of the war however now I would question the utility of it in steering decision-making. At this point it seems unlikely that such actions could be framed as altruistic (ofc if you simply care more about Ukraine winning than ending the war this probably isn’t valid), as this would be ineffective way of convincing Russian leadership to end the war while harming everyday Russians who have no control over the situation.

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What about cyber attacks specifically aimed at the Russian war effort?

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Potentially, however one must consider ones own values in this question. Personally I feel that the best case would be to resolve the conflict ASAP and to support this I would certainly accept the new Russian war (stated*) aims-that is the acquisition of Luhansk and Donetsk, if it brought hostilities to end. Also in my estimation it is entirely within reason that Ukrainian Leadership may (begrudgingly) accept this as well in a ceasefire negotiations. Thus any further damage to the Russian war effort would prolong this outcome. Again I stress this is my own personal assessment of the situation at this specific moment in time and my modeling of the conflict so far has been very poor.

Also of note: any cyber attack action here would result in likely loss of life either by prolonging the conflict or more directly as higher probabilities of industrial/​operational accidents. (I realise I have become paralysed)

Non-Ukrainian cyber attacks on Russian military targets have the potential to invite retaliation on the country from which they are launched.

Does the Russian military even have the tech dependencies that would make them vulnerable to cyber attacks? I think they’re pretty analog.

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What was the project which predicted deaths from covid?

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Wars are an especially nasty type of crisis because there’s an enemy. That enemy will probably attempt to use your software for its own ends. In the case of your refugee heatmap idea, given that the Russians are already massacring civilians, that might look like a Russian artillery commander using it to deliberately target refugees. Alternately, they might target incoming buses to prevent the refugees from getting out of the Ukrainian military’s way and make the Ukrainians spend essential resources on feeding and protecting them.

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This is an important consideration, like how could the software be misused? However, in this concept, artillery and targeting buses wouldn’t be an issue, because the entire concept takes place outside Ukraine. It’s specifically for getting people from Poland (or other close-by countries) to other, more distant, countries that have more capacity. For this to be a problem, they’d have to shell Polish cities, and if they do, we have bigger problems.