A case study in simulacra levels and the Four Children of the Seder

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This was originally going to be a comment on Zvi’s excellent post, The Four Children of the Seder as the Simulacra Levels, but it got too long and I thought it warranted its own post. My cousin’s kid is having a tough time lately. He’s stealing trinkets, destroying things around the house, and according to his parents he "lies all the time." His mom will grill him over whether he’s lying or not—asking him again and again whether he’s brushed his teeth, until he breaks down and admits that he didn’t. It’s not clear that she has evidence in cases like this that he was lying. I suspect that the experience of being grilled is so uncomfortable that the kid finds it easier to make a false confession and brush his teeth a second time than to stand up for himself. I also guess that some of his stealing and destroying habits come from acting out on frustration with authority figures. It’s a way of practicing deception, provoking reactions, and testing adults. Because he doesn’t see a way to gain the trust and respect of adults, he’s trying to figure out how to trick them most effectively. Why are his parents behaving this way? It is because they have become far less concerned with object-level reality—whether or not he’s brushed his teeth—than with the question of whether their child is a liar. The kid understands that everything they ask him to do is a test of his honesty. It’s a symbol. Brushing his teeth isn’t to prevent cavities. It’s a trial of his character. So his parents are speaking to him on the level of simplicity. He may have started wise, but is becoming wicked as his parents draw him deeper and deeper into a world of symbolism. This highlights one of the paradoxes of the levels. Whether or not the kid lied about brushing his teeth is an object-level truth. And if you asked his parents why they care, they’d tell you "because we don’t want him to get cavities." A relationship that’s on a higher simulacrum level is often still connected to level one. The higher levels accumulate, rather than replacing the lower levels. Brushing his teeth is about cavities, but it’s also about whether you can trick your parents, and it’s also about whether or not your child is a liar. Our family is concerned about this, and we’re operating on level four. We understand that bringing this up with the parents is a delicate issue, because we don’t want to imply that they’re *bad parents. *And we primarily struggle with "how to ask" them about the situation. To us, the question of whether or not the kid brushes his teeth is almost irrelevant. We’re not trying to get anything out of them or control their behavior. We’re peering into level three, trying to understand the symbolism around everybody’s behaviors, and how our word choice, tone of voice, body language, and the context of the discussion might fit into the symbolism of the discussion as interpreted by the parents. Fortunately, we have slightly more clarity about how to deal with this than the Rabbis seem to, though not much. Our best ideas so far:

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I believe the west has set itself up with an impossible metaphysics. Make available to everyone the benefits that accrue to high trust networks.